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Include NOAA Weather Radio in upcoming National Test.

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  1. Comment
    jfcrosby

    Why not! If we are ever to have a true multi layered system with access to the same information, so everyone is on the same page they should be part of the test.

  2. Comment
    Manny Centeno
    ( Moderator )

    To clarify:

    Will NOAA Weather Radio carry the Test?

    NOAA Weather Radio will not transmit the EAS Test. There is currently no mechanism to transport this type of message to NWR transmitters. Additionally, the Test will use the EAN code where the audio message exceeds the two minute audio time limit allowed by Specific Area Messaging Encoding (SAME) and the EAS.

    You can find this question and others on our FAQ page on the Test: http://www.fema.gov/emergency/ipaws/eas_info.shtm

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    Manny Centeno
    ( Moderator )

    We will work with NPR to provide an additional source to monitor.

  4. Comment
    Dan Mammone

    Manny,

    Is NOAA not a monitored source where the Test is originating? If not, isn't that an FCC requirement?

  5. Comment
    Manny Centeno
    ( Moderator )

    Hi Dan-

    It has to do with the 2 minute limit. The EAN has no time limit and in order to test it effectively we need it to be approx. 3 minutes in length. Email ipaws@dhs.gov you have any more questions. I hope that clarifies.

  6. Comment
    Community Member

    So, will my NOAA Weather Radio with SAME alert for the 9 Nov test or not? Manny, I cannot make any sense out of the links.

  7. Comment
    gpatrick900

    From reading the links. It basically up to the local nws office if their system can handle more that a 2 minute message. Some nws offices will be participating and broadcasting a test using the weather alert radio & others won't.

    Manny Centeno, when we had a bunch of tornado warnings, The local office broadcast the message on the weather alert radio for more that 2 minutes.

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    atv_rider_7

    NOAA and weather radio equipment with SAME have the event codes, they simply choose not to be bothered.

    Also Manny whats your excuse now since the time limit issue you claim is the problem is a moot point after the 3 minute alert is shortened to 30 seconds?

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    Courte Essone

    I think it's pointless to cut the test to thirty seconds. Run the test as originally conceived. Those who are ready can carry it, those who aren't don't. Schedule another to give the latter more time to work out the glitches and get online. Take comfort: the CONELRAD test in the early Sixties was, I think, around fifteen to thirty minutes. (I was a kid and even though I knew it was a test, it still spooked me pretty good.)

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      atv_rider_7

      yeah but there really is no excuse for this though. this isnt the early days of the emergency alert system, this has been in place for decades all they are doing is clicking a drop down box with a computer mouse. I mean if this was a test of IPAWS/CAP then yeah it would be more understandable. But the decision was made to shorten it literally for the reason that "it may scare people" if they didnt screw up getting the word and actually ran the damn PSA's months in advance their concern would be a moot point.

  10. Comment
    dswartz

    I seriously doubt that the wording of the message will scare anyone, because only 1 person in 20 will even know what the heck it is about.

  11. Comment
    Manny Centeno
    ( Moderator )

    Thank you for your feedback. As I have said before: There is currently no mechanism to transport an EAN to NWR transmitters.

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      atv_rider_7

      and why not? its not like this has been an unknown problem, or that this test has not been planned for years. also since when is there not been the ability to manually activate it. like it was said before the EAN and EAT event codes exist in the weather radio equipment so obviously its able to be supported and activated.

    2. Comment
      gpatrick900

      Manny Centeno, Amber Alert is issued from another source and broadcast on NWS weather alert radio. It comes across has advisory and has a quieter alert tone. That is strange weather alert radios have the technology but some of NWS office don't. Some nws office do have a way.

  12. Comment
    bjones ( Idea Submitter )

    Community Member brought up a good point: how can state police get an Amber Alert onto NWR and yet there is no way to use the same technique to get another message (in this case, Natl EAS test message) onto NWR? Couldn't a truncated or edited version of s three minute test be broadcast via NWR?

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      atv_rider_7

      In this case there would be no need for an edited version of the three minute test since it was shortened to thirty seconds across the board for this Weds. But I agree with you.

      Community member, in my experience and shock the NWS offices and cable/sat providers have full digression on what alerts they choose to broadcast or not broadcast including floods, snowstorms, thunderstorms, even tornados. Yes they can choose not to alert for tornados. I want alerting to events compulsorily and not have people play God.

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    gpatrick900

    atv_rider_7. The 3 minutes message limit is incorrect in my opinion. I have seen some tornado/severe thunderstorm warnings that lasted over 3 minute message limit. What about people who don't have a tv or radio turned on? I can't believe that some of NWS offices, cable satellite system doesn't have the technology to do this. The Nws weather service does use the EAS for evacuation of city/county-this is also a third party. For example the flooding. It will be interesting to see which NWS offices do participate & how they do it.

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      atv_rider_7

      I agree with you, the two minute message limit is what I read on various FEMA and NWS sites. I asked my local NWS office in New Jersey once why I never get any winter weathr warnings, like during the December 26th snowstorm and they said "it's the decision of whoever is working that day to send out the alert or not" What I found annoying was that in the days before Hurricane Irene hit land, the coastal barrier islands of New Jersey had mandatory evacuation orders enacted, yet there was nothing sent via the weather radios or the emergency alert system for flood warnings, hurricane warnings, local area emergency, civil emergency messages, and evacuate immediate warnings. I do know that the state police does use the weather radio system and emergency alert system for amber alerts based on county location.

  14. Comment
    rbarmore

    It appears to me that NOAA tries to stay focused on their core mission. The local offices have a degree of autonomy, which allows them to react to local weather conditions -- but is not ideal for promulgating a national alert.

    We have a national system. It's got some bugs. Now that they have been found, I'm confident FEMA will take care of 'em. Let's let NOAA be NOAA, and fix what's already in place.

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      gpatrick900

      rbarmore. The weather alert radios are designed for more that just weather alerts. What if there is a national emergency at 2 a.m.? The only thing you have on is the weather alert radio? Some NWS offices might not be able to do a live broadcast. They sure can activate them and say tune to your local radio or tv station for an emergency message. According the NOAA manual all advisories are supposed to be S.A.M.E. encoded some with & some without the tone but they all don't do it and some do it incorrectly. That does included a National Emergency. I download the S.A.M.E. manual online. I think NOAA should be the point of Entry they would be better at it. Any CD or local, state or federal office can request NOAA to activate their radios for a civil emergencies.

  15. Comment
    rbarmore

    Qpatrick900: ever hear of EAS-CAP?

    The 9 November test was a check of the system that is already in place. Problems found with it will get fixed. CAP is coming. *Then* it will be time to talk about new and different features.

    --But NOAA is NOAA and whatever they might do will require convincing them its a good idea. You and I are better staying out of that.

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